DEBATE WITH MISTY LEE DUBS
“Anna Hughes They got their point across to a very limited audience only if their goal was to point out how ill informed and abjectly ignorant/naive they are in terms of understanding what is happening right now in the middle east and elsewhere re the noxious and unjust rise of anti-semitism and Islamism which go hand in hand. Jews are at war in one country, Israel. Islamists are at war in 27 different countries right now and that’s not counting their terrorist attacks aimed at chilling free speech in liberal secular democracies around the world. There is no Islamic country in the world that has a decent record of human rights, women’s rights, equal rights and freedoms for all in the law. Supporting a terrorist organization like Hamas is not only idiotic, it’s immoral and also illegal in Canada. So our graffiti artist anounces their racism and idiocy to salt spring Island, big deal, so what, they can frack off, grow up, try to grow a brain and stop being a useful idiot for Islamist forces. Islamist forces such as Hamas and Hezbollah who would if they could subjugate all non-muslims, force women to either be sex slaves or into a 7th century dress code for dessert life among other things, murder all homosexuals after shaming and brutalizing them first, run a protection scam on all non-muslims (jizya), install a religious theocracy to replace our liberal secular democracy and of course ‘cleanse’ the earth of all Jews, be they Israeli or other. A self righteous moron is responsible for that graffiti.”
“Kenneth Fersht this is so full of Islamophobic anti-Arabic messaging it’s embarrassing. One may point out that religious zealots exist in every religion. All the things you listed are literally about to go down in the whitest of white countries south of our border by right wing Christian zealots. Does what’s happening in the US define Christianity? Do religious zealots now define all their religions or in your mind is it only the Arabs that are? Your information is full of right wing talking points that have been used on westerners to justify every war in the Middle East where we have killed millions and millions of innocent people. The reality is that we just want their oil. We want to control the area because having a non-western based society controlling the worlds oil rich region would spell disaster for the western capitalist agenda. Your fear-mongering rhetoric has no place in a society that has full unfettered access to the truth behind the lies we’ve all been spoon fed for decades. “
Let’s pick this argument apart point by point:
Misty Dee Dubs said: “this is so full of Islamophobic anti-Arabic messaging it’s embarrassing”.
Kenneth Fersht’s response: Calling me ‘Islamophobic” is an ad hominem attack. Those are not allowed in debate, they are considered to be a logical fallacy. Nice try but no cigar. It’s also factually incorrect; a ‘phobia’ is an irrational fear. My argument is both rational and factually correct. Our concerns regarding the rise of Islamic militant terrorist groups is well founded and completely rational, well reasoned and based upon demonstrable and well documented historical/geo-political facts.
Misty Dee Dubs said: “One may point out that religious zealots exist in every religion.”
Kenneth Fersht’s response: True, one may point that out and as a student of comparative religion i have pointed out many times in the past that ALL religions are based upon demonstrably and evidently false precepts. They are all fabrications, projections of the human psyche upon the vast and largely mysterious canvas of the universe. They seek (and fail) to make sense of it all. However this is a DEFLECTION from the issue at hand, i.e. Israel/Palestine. If this were a few hundred years ago i would be railing against the cruelty and injustice of the inquisitions and the rape and pillage of the ‘new world’ by religious fanatics of the Catholic bent. However, here we are in the 21st century when most of what was once referred to as ‘christendom’ has largely evolved into the secular liberal democracies of the present which all feature equal rights and freedoms for ALL, free speech and a free press, separation of church and state, all fundamental pillars of a modern secular liberal democracy. It is not Quakers or Buddhists or Taoists or orthodox jews of cargo cultists blowing up people and things all over the place, raping torturing and kidnapping victims or depriving women and sexual minorities of basic human rights and freedoms. That is almost exclusively the domain of Islamist forces and Islamic theocratic regimes responsible for terrorist attacks all over the world and/or waging wars and committing heinous war crimes in 27 DIFFERENT COUNTRIES RIGHT NOW (most of which have no jews or ‘zionists’ to speak of. It is Islamist groups such as ISIS, Al Qaida, Boko Haram, Hezbollah, Hamas, et all. The FACT of that is what makes my assertions not a ‘phobia’ but a very real and well justified and substantiated concern.
My ‘phobia’ if you want to call it that is not against Islam or Muslims, it is against murder, rape, torture, the often violent oppressive and regressive theocracies. Muslims are, in fact, the primary victims of Islam, as we can see from observing what has happened in Syria and various other countries such as Yemen where one sect or political division of Islam has been at the throats of other sects and/or political camps for many years. Centuries in fact, ever since the inception/invention of Islam in the 7th century. It’s about power, control and domination by force. It’s always been about that.
Misty said: All the things you listed are literally about to go down in the whitest of white countries south of our border by right wing Christian zealots. Does what’s happening in the US define Christianity? Do religious zealots now define all their religions or in your mind is it only the Arabs that are?
Kenneth’s response: I am greatly concerned about Christian involvement and idiocy south of the border and elsewhere, parts of Africa, for example, where they are still burning witches, but that is not the issue we are discussing, those who are familiar with my writings on the topic realize this. Interesting that you call the USA, ‘whitest of white’. have you not travelled there? the USA is extremely multi-cultural and all have equal rights and freedoms guaranteed by law. These rights and freedoms were hard fought and won by the civil rights movement only in the past century so we should not be too smug about this fact and we can see that the laws are not evenly applied. There is a two tier justice system that is stacked against the economically disadvantaged.
Misty said: “Your information is full of right wing talking points that have been used on westerners to justify every war in the Middle East where we have killed millions and millions of innocent people. “
Kenneth’s response: I do not look at issues from a left or right perspective, but only what is true and what is false, what is reasonable, rational, compassionate and workable based upon the best available verifiable information from a wide array of sources and viewed through a lens of compassion and understanding. I take an academic and scientific approach to research. I am not ‘right wing’ and, in fact, tend to vote green or NDP, both of which are seen as left of centre so your characterization is wholly inaccurate and really a projection of your own partisanship upon me. It also does not make a single salient point, it’s ad hominem, a logical fallacy once again and does not jibe with the reality of who i am, what i say and what i do. Speaking of innocent people, where was your protest re the rape, torture, kidnappings and forced conversion of Yazidi women in Iraq and Syria? Nowhere, not enough Jews invovled for it to interest you or the others. Same with Yemen and Sudan and Nigeria etc? Where the fuck were you Misty? In grade school at the time playing hop scotch in a prosperous and relatively egalitarian country not too badly infected with the mind virus of religion taking all of your rights, hard won by people like me, i.e. civil rights and environmental rights activists, for granted? Your indignation is rather selective and myopic isn’t it.
Misty said: “The reality is that we just want their oil. We want to control the area because having a non-western based society controlling the worlds oil rich region would spell disaster for the western capitalist agenda. Your fear-mongering rhetoric has no place in a society that has full unfettered access to the truth behind the lies we’ve all been spoon fed for decades.”
Kenneth’s response: I don’t care about ‘oil’. I care about people, about their well being, safety and security and prosperity, equal rights and justice, and that is what i want for ALL, including Muslims, Arabs, whoever, wherever. Israel is the one part of the middle east WITHOUT appreciable oil reserves and it is the one modern secular democracy in the middle east. It is the one country in the middle east where Jews have their own military to protect them from the rampant murderous and vile and irrational anti-jewish sentiment that has plagued them for years, culminating in the holocaust. That is why Israel exists, so that the Jews can protect themselves from the hatred and prejudice that has been the bane of their existence for centuries. Hamas has called, in writing for the “annihilation” of the state of Israel and the murder and expulsion of every Jew there. They (Islamist forces) have repeatedly tried to execute this plan with violent actions in the past. They have failed only because of the bravery, determination and intelligence of Israeli forces. YOU, misty, are nothing but a useful idiot for the cause of Islamism, an unwitting tool of the Muslim Brotherhood, et al, the oppressive and regressive, violent and hate filled, coercive ideology from which Hamas and Hezbollah originated, namely “Islamism”. Please learn the distinction between the word Islam and Islamism if we are to continue this dialog we need to define terms and have a shared vocabulary. They (Palestinians via Hamas et al) have indoctrinated their children to dream of the glory of killing jews, their popular children’s show, Tomorrow’s Pioneers, for example, the UNRWA run schools another example… the glory of being martyred for the cause of murdering Jews, where ever they may be, not just in Israel. This is rooted in their scriptures, in their teachings, in the Quran and in the Hadiths and is widely propagated by their imams and in their propaganda. The root of this evil/idiocy is in widely held religious delusion breeding and incubating hatred, terrorism, intolerance in the extreme. This intolerance is not just aimed at Jews, by the way, though for sure Jews are their fav scapegoat. It is also aimed at women, sexual minorities, religious minorities, ‘apostates’ and ‘infidels’, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, zoroastrians, Druze, Kurds, etc etc. It’s sick, it’s twisted, it is perverse, it’s dangerous and must be stopped. Islam needs a reformation and an evolution on a massive scale. I personally have never killed anyone, by the way, and have long advocated banning bombs, ALL bombs and making the use of them an automatic war crime. Hard core Islamists, by the way, ban music and dance even, unless it specifically sings the praises of Allah, their imaginary sky daddy.
Now you can either learn and grow, incorporate new information into your pathetically myopic and naive world view or you can fuck off, your choice.
My mantra is “i am not responsible for what stupid people think”
Good luck! sincerely, Kenneth Fersht
Addendum:
Meanwhile, as naive nincompoops peer with myopic tunnel vision at Gaza, Judea and Sumeria, here is a list of the 30 main countries where Islamists are on violent forms of ‘jihad’ currently. They are commiting war crimes of a similar nature in each. This is not even counting their tens of 1000’s of recent terror attacks targetting the western secular liberal democracies by Islamic groups to the tune of “Allahu Akbar”.
We are at a crucial turning point in history because the Islamic expansion is not only ongoing at this time, it is accelerating at an alarming rate.
1. Afghanistan – Taliban
2. Algeria – Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM)
3. Bangladesh, JMB, ANSAR, HuJI-B, IS-BP, HuT, ABT, Neo-Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen Bangladesh
4. Burkina Faso – Jama’at Nasr al-Islam wal Muslimin (JNIM)
5. Cameroon – Boko Haram
6. Central African Republic – Seleka rebels
7. Chad – Boko Haram
8. Democratic Republic of Congo – Islamic State Central Africa Province (ADF & ISCAP) Al Shabaab, (ASWJ)
9. Egypt – Sinai Province (ISIS affiliate)
10. India (Kashmir region) – Lashkar-e-Taiba, Jaish-e-Mohammed
11. Indonesia – Jemaah Islamiyah (JI)
12. Iraq – Islamic State (ISIS)
13. Israel/Palestine – Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad
14. Libya – Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG)
15. Mali – Jama’at Nasr al-Islam wal Muslimin (JNIM)
16. Mozambique – Ansar al-Sunna
17. Myanmar (Rakhine state) – Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army (ARSA)
18. Niger – Boko Haram
19. Nigeria – Boko Haram
20. Pakistan – Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP)
21. Philippines – Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG), Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters (BIFF), Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF)
22. Somalia – Al-Shabaab
23. Sudan – Rapid Support Forces (RSF) Islamic State (IS),Al Qaeda, Ansar al Tawhid, Al Qaeda in the Land of Two Niles, Sudanese Armed Forces (SAF), associated with the Sudanese Muslim Brotherhood and led by Almosbah Abuzeyd
24. Syria – Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), ISIS
25. Tajikistan – Jamaat –
26. Tanzania (ISCAP)(ISISSKTU): Islamic State in Somalia, Kenya, Tanzania, and Uganda, Al-Shabaab, These groups are exploiting local grievances and recruiting Tanzanians to join their cause.
27. Thailand (southern provinces) – Barisan Revolusi Nasional (BRN)
28. Tunisia – Ansar al-Sharia
29. Turkey – Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) – Islamist elements
30. Yemen – Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), ISIS, Houthis
Gaza is a smoke screen for Islamic aggression, violence, control, power, domination expansion by force all over the world.
Q: How many Islamic inspired terrorist attacks to the sickening tune of “Allahu Akbar” have there been globally in the past 50 years?
A: Between 1979 and April 2024, there were 66,872 Islamist terrorist attacks worldwide, resulting in at least 249,941 deaths. To put this into perspective, Islamist attacks accounted for 84.4% of all recorded terrorist attacks since 1979 and 98% of all religiously motivated terror attacks in the past 20 years. This must be known and recognized by our politicians, left, right and centre and firm actions taken in order to mitigate it as much as possible. It must be recognized and acknowledged by so called ‘moderate muslims’ rather than condoned or ignored.
Q: Where are the ‘moderate muslims’ standing up and speaking out en masse against this never ending, pervasive and massively destructive jihad?
A: Nowhere, they are too busy with their petulant performative prayer circle jerks clogging out public streets, squares and universities etc, polluting the air with cries of “Free Palestine” and “gas the jews” and “globalize the intifada” while sporting Ham-ass headbands and balaclava, flying Fallastinian flags and ISIS flags, calling for ‘death to Canada’, ‘sharia in the UK, Canada, USA, Australia, Sweden, Belgium, France, Greece, Itally, Spain’ etc etc and dreaming of the day when the free world will cease to be free but will be at least free of Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Zoroastrians, sexual minorities and anyone who dares question the madness of Islamic theology and ideology.
