In response to the inundation of Islamist propaganda that is crawling all over social media these days. I’m combatting it by revealing it clearly to anyone who can and will read read and think. They always point out the number of civilian casualties in Gaza and always point out the innocent children. I will expand on this for facebook where i can use a few more characters to lay it out and expound the evidence that what i say below is undeniably true.
Yes it’s tragic, however:
All of those civilians were killed intentionally by Hamas as part of their sick and twisted PR strategy of asymmetric warfare. This is in keeping with Hamas’ ideology of ‘martyrdom’ where they first indoctrinate the men, women and children of Gaza to hate and want to kill Jews and to be ‘glorious martyrs’ in the process. This is readily evident in their indoctrination and Pavlovian conditioning of the population, as clearly illustrated in the Hamas produced ‘childrens’ TV show, Tomorrows Pioneers aired 2007 to 2009, and in the content that was taught in the UNRWA schools, the madrasas and maktab, and the handing out of candy ever time a suicide bomber or rocket succeeded in killing Jews in Israel. It is no secret and Hamas didn’t try to hide it, they broadcast it for all to see so we saw this coming and knew what they were doing, disgusting as it was and is. Those kids grew up and perpetrated the heinous war crimes of Oct 7th and then dove upon the sword of Israel, mistakenly believing as they had been taught from early childhood that doing so would earn them a preferred place in paradise and gain Allah’s favour. The real battle ground is here, on social media as Hamas sought and largely succeeded in winning the hearts and minds of naive, the under educated and the gullible, turning them into ‘useful idiots’ for their fake ‘social justice’ campaign, accusing Israel of war crimes that they themselves are guilty of. Those of us who study and are aware of the history, including the long and brutal history of violent persecution of Jewish and Christian and other communities in the middle east, parts of Asia, North Africa, sub saharan Africa, and Europe since the 7th century are not fooled however. The Islamist ethos and ideology is disgusting and fuelled by religiously instilled delusion, hatred and prejudice of the bizarre rantings of your so called prophet, Muhammad, an obviously schizophrenic homicidal maniac madman charlatan con man serial killer serial rapist, pedophile and slaver. It’s all there in the Quran and the Hadith and in the rhetoric of many of your Imams also. We are not fooled. 100% of civilian death in Gaza are the fault of Hamas, Hezbollah, et al.
Nigel Elliot: You describe Islam as though the entire ideology is some sort of comic book villain. There is some truth to what you say, but the world, and ideology is not so black and white as all of this.
The leadership of Israel, and the mainstream Zionist movement aims to displace Palestinian people, and regardless of ancient history, that leaves no room for current peace. How can a smaller, ill equipped nation fight a war for their own self determination and homes in the face of an aggressive comparative giant intent on displacing them? By scratching the eyes, biting, trickery and poisoning if necessary.
My take is that neither party is without incredible levels of disdain, and intolerance for the other. The party with the most strength holds the greatest ability to sway things in the direction of peace. Is that what they want, though? Traditionally, currently, or at any time?
Kenneth Fersht: Nigel Elliott My goal is to counter the plethora of Islamist propaganda targeting the naive, under-educated and gullible on social media. I am pointing out that it is a deliberate strategy of the war criminal terrorists Hamas and Hezbollah, the reason they perpetrated Oct 7th and the reason they are martyring many 1000 of Gaza civilians and fighters.
It is unreasonable and unrealistic of you to expect me to cover all shades of gray in a very ancient and complex dispute in a two paragraph post on facebook. I’m disappointed in you for being an apologist for Islamists in this matter. Do you understand firstly the difference between Islam and Islamism? If not you have better look that one up for the sake of clarity so that we are on the same page. Secondly did you bother to actually watch some episodes of Tomorrow’s Pioneers before responding or are you just jerking a knee in response to the implications that you yourself have been taken in by the Islamist propaganda. 3rd, have you studied the history of Islam? Are you aware of the life and times of Muhammad? If not please do some research to discover that he was a bandit, a serial murderer, a serial rapist and a pedophile, as well as an obvious con man. In your research into the history do become aware of the many times over the centuries that Islamic forces have, using similar MO in each incident, i.e. kill the men and elders, often in horrific and tortuous ways, rape and enslave the women and children, persecuted and mass murdered Jewish, Hindu, Christian and Buddhist populations. Many many times through the centuries, all historically documented by both Muslims and by those who were attacked by violent Islamic expansionist forces. Do look into the history of the Islamic expansion, of course, where Islam spread like a cancerous virus from Arabia through the middle east, parts of Asia, parts of Europe, North Africa and Sub Saharan africa, even to Indonesia, all by violent and coercive means.
I’ll help you along in a subsequent comment since i’ve done the work already, save you a bit of time but do check my work for accuracy. It is not as thorough as it might be because i can not spend all of my waking hours working on or thinking about this ghastly matter.
This did not start with the inception of the modern state of Israel in 1948, it started with the inception of Islam in the 7th century. Once again, you accuse me of making it ‘black and white’, unreasonable given the format here on facebook. I am well aware that it is not black and white and i’m also well aware that the primary victims of Islam have always been Muslims themselves, especially Muslim women and sexual minorities who have suffered greatly under the yoke of these ridiculous, preposterous, evil, narrow-minded, and ill-founded beliefs.
I am well aware that all religions are predicated upon false precepts. However it is currently Islam that is on ‘holy jihad’ in new fewer than 27 different countries and are actively raping, looking, murdering including mass murder of civilians, kidnapping, especially young women, raping some more and it is Islamists who are actively engaging in the propaganda campaign on social media so that is what i’m combatting and debunking right now. There is a lot more to say Nigel but i don’t have time right now, i will point you in the right direction if you are open to it. I will add that in addition the the armed conflicts, ‘military jihad’ in the 27 countries i mentioned, Islamist groups are also active in at least 69 countries in the world, including the western liberal secular democracies where they are raising hell, actively engaging in act of terrorism aimed and discouraging free speech, free press and/or any meaningful critique of Islamic and/or Islamist ideology and their many and various crimes against one another and humanity as a whole.
Kenneth Fersht: Nigel Elliott Genocide of Jews by Islamic forces through history.
1. Conquest of Medina (627 CE): Muhammad’s forces attacked and expelled the Jewish tribes of Medina, resulting in the deaths of many Jews.
2. Massacre of the Banu Qurayza tribe (627 CE): Muhammad’s forces besieged and defeated the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayza, leading to the execution of over 800 Jewish men and the enslavement of their women and children.
3. Pogroms of 1033-1034 in Fez, Morocco: Jewish communities were attacked, and many Jews were killed, forced to convert, or expelled.
4. Almohad persecution (1146-1248 CE): The Almohad Caliphate in North Africa and Spain forced Jews to convert to Islam, and many who refused were killed or expelled.
5. Ottoman massacres (14th-16th centuries CE): Jewish communities in the Ottoman Empire faced periodic massacres, forced conversions, and persecutions.
6. Farhud (1941 CE) in Baghdad, Iraq: A violent pogrom against Jews resulted in over 180 deaths and widespread destruction of Jewish property.
7. 1391 pogroms in Tunisia: Jewish communities were attacked, and many Jews were killed or forced to convert.
8. 1465 persecutions in Fez, Morocco: Jewish communities faced violence, forced conversions, and expulsions.
9. 1517 expulsion from Egypt: Jews were expelled from Egypt by the Ottoman Empire.
10. 1834 pogrom in Safed, Ottoman Palestine (now Israel): Jewish communities faced violence and destruction of property.
11. 1886 pogroms in Yemen: Jewish communities faced violence, forced conversions, and expulsions.
12. 1912-1913 pogroms in Shiraz, Iran: Jewish communities faced violence, forced conversions, and expulsions.
Here are some times when Christian populations were subjected to genocide by Muslims in the past.
1. The conquest of Syria (634-638 CE): Christian populations were massacred, forced to convert, or expelled.
2. The Battle of Heliopolis (640 CE): Egyptian Christians were killed or enslaved by the Rashidun Caliphate.
3. The Mongol conquest of Baghdad (1258 CE): Christians were massacred, and churches destroyed.
4. The Ottoman conquest of Constantinople (1453 CE): Christians were killed, enslaved, or forced to convert.
5. The Armenian Genocide (1915-1923 CE): Ottoman forces and Kurdish tribes killed an estimated 1.5 million Armenians, many of whom were Christian.
6. The Greek Genocide (1914-1923 CE): Ottoman forces and Turkish irregulars killed an estimated 350,000-750,000 Greeks, many of whom were Christian.
7. The Assyrian Genocide (1914-1920 CE): Ottoman forces and Kurdish tribes killed an estimated 250,000-300,000 Assyrian Christians.
8. The Lebanese Civil War (1975-1990 CE): Christian populations were targeted by Muslim militias.
9. The ISIS atrocities (2014-2019 CE): Christians in Iraq and Syria were subjected to massacres, forced conversions, and enslavement.
10. Boko Haram, a terrorist organization, kidnapped approximately 276 schoolgirls from Chibok, Nigeria in 2014. The majority of the girls were Christian. The kidnapped girls were subjected to forced conversions to Islam, physical and emotional abuse, and forced marriages to Boko Haram fighters. Many were also forced into sexual slavery and used as human shields.
Here’s a list of historical Jewish sites destroyed or damaged by Islamic forces from the 7th century to present:
1. Temple Mount (Jerusalem, 638 CE): The Second Temple was destroyed by the Rashidun Caliphate.
2. Solomon’s Temple (Jerusalem, 638 CE): Also destroyed by the Rashidun Caliphate.
3. Ezra’s Tomb (Basra, Iraq, 941 CE): Destroyed by the Qarmatians, a Shia Islamic sect.
4. Tomb of Esther and Mordechai (Hamadan, Iran, 12th century): Damaged by the Ghaznavid Empire.
5. Jewish Quarter (Fez, Morocco, 1033 CE): Destroyed by the Berber dynasty.
6. Synagogue of the Prophet Samuel (Mazar-e Sharif, Afghanistan, 12th century): Converted into a mosque by the Ghurid dynasty.
7. Jewish Cemetery (Tunis, Tunisia, 1231 CE): Desecrated by the Almohad Caliphate.
8. Great Synagogue (Cairo, Egypt, 1010 CE): Destroyed by the Fatimid Caliphate.
9. Tomb of Rabbi Abraham ben David (Posquières, France, 1160 CE): Vandalized by Almohad invaders.
10. Jewish Quarter (Grenada, Spain, 1066 CE): Destroyed by the Almoravid dynasty.
11. Hurva Synagogue (Jerusalem, 1720 CE): Destroyed by the Ottoman Empire.
12. Tomb of Rabbi Nachman (Uman, Ukraine, 1929 CE): Vandalized by Arab rioters.
13. Jewish Quarter (Hebron, 1929 CE): Destroyed during the Hebron massacre.
14. Great Synagogue (Aleppo, Syria, 1947 CE): Torched by Arab rioters.
15. Jewish sites in Iraq (1941 CE): Destroyed during the Farhud pogrom.
Here’s a list of some significant Christian sites destroyed or damaged by Islamic forces since the 7th century
1. St. John’s Basilica (Ephesus, Turkey) – destroyed by the Umayyad Caliphate in 654
2. Church of the Nativity (Bethlehem, Palestine) – damaged during the Umayyad Caliphate in 639
3. Hagia Sophia (Constantinople, Byzantine Empire) – converted into a mosque by the Ottoman Empire in 1453
4. Monastery of St. Catherine (Sinai, Egypt) – attacked and damaged by the Umayyad Caliphate in 634
5. Church of the Holy Apostles (Constantinople, Byzantine Empire) – destroyed by the Ottoman Empire in 1461
6. St. Mark’s Basilica (Alexandria, Egypt) – destroyed by the Fatimid Caliphate in 1010
7. Cathedral of St. James (Jerusalem, Palestine) – destroyed by the Fatimid Caliphate in 1010
8. Church of the Holy Sepulchre (Jerusalem, Palestine) – damaged and partially destroyed by the Fatimid Caliphate in 1009
9. Monastery of the Holy Cross (Jerusalem, Palestine) – destroyed by the Umayyad Caliphate in 614
10. St. George’s Church (Lydda, Palestine) – destroyed by the Umayyad Caliphate in 639
Here is a list of Buddhist sites destroyed or defaced by Islamic forces:
1. Nalanda University (Bihar, India): Destroyed by Bakhtiyar Khalji in 1204 CE
2. Vikramashila University (Bihar, India): Destroyed by Bakhtiyar Khalji in 1204 CE
3. Odantapuri University (Bihar, India): Destroyed by Bakhtiyar Khalji in 1204 CE
4. Somapura Mahavihara (Paharpur, Bangladesh): Destroyed by Bakhtiyar Khalji in 1204 CE
5. Dharmapuri Mahavihara (Dharmapuri, India): Destroyed by the Delhi Sultanate in the 14th century
6. Sompur Mahavihara (Animeshlocana, Bangladesh): Destroyed by the Delhi Sultanate in the 14th century
7. Bamiyan Buddhas (Bamiyan, Afghanistan): Destroyed by the Taliban in 2001
8. Mes Aynak (Logar Province, Afghanistan): Destroyed by the Taliban in 2001
9. Ghazni Buddhist site (Ghazni Province, Afghanistan): Destroyed by the Taliban in 2001
10. Hadda Buddhist site (Nangarhar Province, Afghanistan): Destroyed by the Taliban in 2001
11. Jalalabad Buddhist site (Nangarhar Province, Afghanistan): Destroyed by the Taliban in 2001
12. Nagarjunakonda (Andhra Pradesh, India): Destroyed by the Delhi Sultanate in the 14th century
13. Amaravati (Andhra Pradesh, India): Destroyed by the Delhi Sultanate in the 14th century
14. Nagarjunakonda (Andhra Pradesh, India): Destroyed by the Delhi Sultanate in the 14th century
15. Sarnath (Uttar Pradesh, India): Destroyed by the Delhi Sultanate in the 12th century
Here’s a list of 10 Hindu sites destroyed or damaged by Muslim invaders and rulers since the 7th century:
1. Somnath Temple (Gujarat, 1026 CE): Destroyed by Mahmud of Ghazni.
2. Vishnu Temple (Mathura, 1018 CE): Destroyed by Mahmud of Ghazni.
3. Kashi Vishwanath Temple (Varanasi, 1194 CE): Destroyed by Muhammad of Ghor.
4. Lingaraj Temple (Bhubaneswar, 13th century CE): Damaged by Muslim invaders.
5. Jagannath Temple (Puri, 14th century CE): Damaged by Muslim invaders.
6. Martand Sun Temple (Kashmir, 8th century CE): Destroyed by Sikandar Butshikan.
7. Debal Temple (Sindh, 725 CE): Destroyed by Muhammad bin Qasim.
8. Nalanda University (Bihar, 12th century CE): Destroyed by Bakhtiyar Khalji.
9. Mahakal Temple (Ujjain, 13th century CE): Damaged by Iltutmish.
10. Chidambaram Temple (Tamil Nadu, 14th century CE): Damaged by Malik Kafur.
Nigel Elliot: Kenneth Fersht ok.
How do you suggest moving forward in spite of that history?
Does thinking of muslim people as the root of the problem make the thought of displacing them today and in recent history easier or justified?
Does working at displacing people from their homes for generations breed extremists willing to do anything to fight for self determination and their own “traditional” homes?
What point does one stop the clock in history to consider an area as belonging to a group? And does that hold true across the world, or does an arbitrary time get chosen for each territory based on who has done the least “evil” that has a claim to it, and according to whom?
Kenneth Fersht: Nigel Elliott https://youtu.be/a4aTe4_EtMA
Nigel Elliot: Kenneth Fersht if all you can do is copy and paste in response to questions, are you currently engaging in conversation and thought processes, or are you avoiding it?
There are more and more progressive moves in many Islamic states. Sharia law is evolving in some areas to reflect more modern values, much like Christianity. Does that mean anything to you, or is the weight of history what decides everything for you?
Nigel Elliot: sorry. Your previous comment didn’t show for me!
Kenneth Fersht: Nigel Elliott it means very little to me while Muslims are out there chanting ‘from the river to the sea’ and ‘a curse upon the jews’ ‘and death to Canada, Death to America, Death to France, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, the UK, etc and calling for genocide of ALL JEWS EVERYWHERE as they are RIGHT NOW. And Nigel, they mean what they say, those are not empty words. We don’t have another 100 years for Islam to evolve. And honestly i’m surprised at you for being also an apologist/advocate for Sharia, an absolutely barbaric religiously based set of laws based upon the commandments of an imaginary diety from the 7th century, formulated by a megalomaniac madman they were. You have no idea of the ramifications of what you are saying apparently.
Kenneth Fersht: Nigel Elliott for a start i suggest moving forward WITHOUT further vilification or persecution and/or brutalization of Jews and recognizing that they have been DEFENDING THEMSELVES from a very real and present and persistent danger for many centuries. They have been getting it from all sides. The Catholic and Orthodox Church’s both for many years frothed forth a dogma that the “Jews killed Jesus” and that led to much persecution, pogroms, genocides of Jewish populations all over Europe, The Middle East and elsewhere. That too is well documented historically. The Catholic church did not reverse the dogma or apologize for it until 1965. And then the Nazis and their allies in the Ukraine, Balkans, Spain and Italy massacred Jews to such an extent, this also informed partially by many years of anti-semitic Catholic and Orthodox christian dogma, that a new word had to be invented, i.e. ‘genocide’.
The term “genocide” was coined in 1944 by Polish lawyer Raphael Lemkin. Lemkin, who himself lost family members in the Holocaust, combined the Greek words “genos” (meaning “race” or “people”) and “cide” (meaning “killing”) to create the word “genocide.”
Lemkin’s work was instrumental in getting genocide recognized as a crime under international law. In 1948, the United Nations adopted the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, which defines genocide as acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group.
Since then, the term “genocide” has been used to describe numerous atrocities around the world, including the Holocaust, the Rwandan genocide, and the Armenian, Assyrian and Greek genocides, among others.
more later as i find the time…
